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Post by IBEATLOUCAPASSO on May 21, 2003 10:24:14 GMT -5
LOU
WHY DO YOU KEEP TRYING TO CONVINCE EVERYONE HOW GOOD YOU WERE. YOU SUCKED. YOU HAD A COUPLE OF DECENT YEARS. YOU KEEP REFERRING TO THE PBA EVENTS YOU BOWLED IN. THEY WERE ONLY REGIONALS YOU LOSER. YOU DON'T HAVE A PBA TITLE. REGIONALS DON'T COUNT. YOU WROTE THAT YOU ONLY LOST 1 MATCH IN YOUR LIFE BEFORE 1982. ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND. EVEN THE GREATEST, JEFF KIDDER, LOST A FEW TIMES AND YOU WEREN'T IN HIS CLASS. BOWLERS FROM MAPLE WERE ALWAYS OVERRATED AND YOU WERE ONE OF THEM. JOHN COLOSSI A GREAT BOWLER? I THINK HE CASHED ONCE ON THE PBA TOUR. HE IS A SHIT ASS LEFTY.
FOR ONCE AND FOR ALL LOU, GIVE UP THE GAME AND GIVE UP WRITING YOUR BORING STORIES ON HOW GOOD YOU THINK YOU WERE. FOR YOUR INFO, I ASKED THE HORN ABOUT YOU AND HE SAID THAT YOU WERE NOTHING MORE THAN A DECENT HOUSE BOWLER.
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Post by Senior citizen on May 21, 2003 12:27:35 GMT -5
You are one asshole just jerking around on this board. Louis, do not take him literally. And Clossi was pretty good off the tour where he did not belong. How many do? He won alot of tournaments otherwise including a 10g Lustig. You should get a life I beat Lou and know your facts. And unless you know Richie well, he never talks about bowling. So stop lying.
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Post by OldTimer on May 21, 2003 12:29:55 GMT -5
Sounds like sour grapes to me. I know Richie very well and know for sure that he doesn't feel that way about Lou, he feels Lou was a real talent so quit the BS
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Post by old dog on May 21, 2003 12:56:28 GMT -5
i second that lou was a great action bowler and the horn thinks the world of him
the way your knocking a great bowler like lou you must be some piece of work a real looser that never accomplished anything your jealousy is so very evident
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Post by Louis on May 21, 2003 20:08:40 GMT -5
Senior and old thanks for sticking up for me. Unfortunatly some people will always be opinionated. Richie would never belittle my ability. Neither would any other bowlers of the day. Becouse I beat richie in a match does not mean I now have all his marbles it means at the time we bowled I was better. and about the great Kidder.The man never bowled tournaments so we will never know how good he was. and you ask why!!!Think about it bet 1000 win 1000 bet 210 win 25000 in an pba event why didnt he bowl!!!! Probobly becouse (and this has been whispered for years)His equiptment was not legal!!!!!!so that means
HE CHEATED thats right lets start talking about the GREAT bowlers who used LOADS!!!!!!!!!Kidder threw darts at the pocket. not many revs and yet he carried the world. the match against Roth And Rags I was there 16 years old and could not believe the crap that he carried. or the way the ball reacted on those lanes.That night everyone there questioned his equiptment.EVERYONE !!!!!! so stop the BS
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Post by Louis on May 21, 2003 20:18:41 GMT -5
OK since you Know me so well please list the bowlers thet beat me. and if you are a man identify yourself I have given you my personal e mail and still no answer I will not tell who you are. I would just like to know who you are. Be Man Or Woman Identify yourself.
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Post by Louis on May 21, 2003 20:21:32 GMT -5
Old Dog Great pic My wife and I have 7 dogs
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Post by old dog on May 21, 2003 20:23:45 GMT -5
This old dog was also at the great match at Rainbow Lanes.
It was like a TV show, they bowled upstairs on the left side. All the lanes were closed down except the center pair where they bowled the match, the house was full of on lookers, the air was thick with electricity.
I don't know anything about Jeffs ball? maybe Bill Daly could comment on this issue
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Post by Louis on May 21, 2003 20:43:03 GMT -5
Hey Dog My memory is not the best but I thought it was right corner pair or 2nd from the right but do you remember the spallone beeper match on the left corner pair.I also bowled Steve Fishman that night Downstairs before the Big Match. It was funny rags and burgland averaged about 150 on those lanes. But electricity there was seeing 2 great pba pro's bowl a match. Rags was my Idol from the time I met him and Mark and I were friends. But I could have beaten all 4 of them that night . It turned out to be a dud after all was said and done.Please e mail me at lcapasso331@hotmail.com with who you are I really like to here from people I new from my bowling days. thanks
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Post by Senior Citizen on May 21, 2003 21:39:43 GMT -5
Can't believe what you said about Kidder. He never cheated and feared nobody. I did not see him when urethane lanes came about in '76 but I knew him well from 70-75 when he was second best to Faino. He did not throw a load and he hooked the ball. maybe at Rainbow the lanes were flooded. He did not bowl in tournaments because there was really no money then. He did bowl in the tough newsday one year and finished third winning his last 16 matches. He quit the game in 81 to become a professional gambler and became one of the biggest in the country having most of his bets placed in Vegas by chuck sharpe who used to back killgannon when he lived here. his bets were 10g and up. He bet I believe mainly on basketball. He and daly kept sheets on all the teams.I know for a fact he and daly won hundreds of thousands. He retired a few years ago as told to me by daly. he now lives in hilton head, sc and plays the market for a few big clients. kidder is a college grad with a degree in accounting. You are the first that ever made that comment. Dead wrong. Ask anybody.
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Post by Senior Citizen on May 21, 2003 22:17:03 GMT -5
I'm still surprised that you belittled Kidder. You are definitely entitled to your opinion but I hope you are not putting yourself in Kidder's class. Many today consider him the best action bowler ever.That's because they never saw the horn in his day. I have never heard your name ever mentioned. I may have seen you bowl but I can't remember and I have been around this game 40 years. My ratings of the best amateurs and action bowlers I've seen:
1960s-the horn and lemon in a tie, with schlegel next and dewey blair(he could not play inside) 1970s- faino then kidder 1980s until he moved to florida in 87 or 88- hank behrom-kidder only bowled two years-hank rarely bowled bad and won alot of tournaments. he chewed up the horn at colonial, daly won 10g and then proceeded to get robbed in the parking lot for everything. Rudy was still learning to make spares. 1990-no doubt Rudy-the two best were he and neumann but neumann rarely bowled action. Today-scianna from the island and fagan when he is off the tour. scianna-this guy bets his own cash and i have seem him double the bet, lets say to $600 when he is stuck. He fears nobody. I've seen him come down games and always walk out a winner. he is one tough mf in the tenth. he clocked robert smith a few years ago. If you still plan to come back to the game and practice alot and want good action, scianna's the man. guaranteed to travel to maple. My opinions again.
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Post by Louis on May 21, 2003 22:20:56 GMT -5
I apologise if I offended you but there were q's asked about his ball! I wish him well and he was a great action bowler. I only bowled him 1 time on a house shot before urethane and he did not throw many revs or hook it that much play'd down and in the 2 nd arrow I played much deeper that night. I believe you if you are friends with jeff and I will except your word that he did not throw a load. Thank you for clarifying that .
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Post by old dog on May 21, 2003 22:22:06 GMT -5
Hey Dog My memory is not the best but I thought it was right corner pair or 2nd from the right but do you remember the spallone beeper match on the left corner pair.I also bowled Steve Fishman that night Downstairs before the Big Match. It was funny rags and burgland averaged about 150 on those lanes. But electricity there was seeing 2 great pba pro's bowl a match. Rags was my Idol from the time I met him and Mark and I were friends. But I could have beaten all 4 of them that night . It turned out to be a dud after all was said and done.Please e mail me at lcapasso331@hotmail.com with who you are I really like to here from people I new from my bowling days. thanks Lou You wouldn't know me, I always stayed quetly in the background, occasionally bet on the side while lapping up all the action I could watch, I didn't stay at Maple to often but always injoyed myself when I did visit.
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Post by Louis on May 21, 2003 22:51:43 GMT -5
I agree with your action bowlers best list. you have seen alot. I bowled in a tourny about 10 years ago and neumann bowled on the same pair at carolier lanes He was great, and a nice kid and what a ball.Hank was a good bowler also bowled him once but do not remember where. I believe I came 1 up on him. he was accurate and solid at all times and conditions.where did You see me bowl and when. when I bowled action it was from 1977 to 1981 and then again in 1987 and 1992 the last match. what is your name since I use my name i would like to know some of the people i talk to here. I am not putting myself in his class but here is a list i beat in my day Horn, perry, behrbaum,doran,snake burgland,manieri, starr,iondoli etc.these were no 2nd rate bowlere since you mentioned some in your best of list. I am the only person answering all q's honostly using my own name. I only bowled till I was 22 than again at 26 to 28 than once more at 34. I won a regional and made 9 regional finals with a 3 rd 2-4ths a fifth ,sevent twice I also made 2 national finals finishing 12th and 24th. with about 11 other cashes.I was a touring member from 1978 to 1980. I loved bowling in tournaments. In the ptq at garden city in 1978 I led the qualifying shooting 410 over for 8 games 2nd was willy willis at 220 over.I had some credentials for the times.I also bowled some action on tour and did well. I know this sounds like the old toot your own horn stuff but I did not start this post just answered q's when a co worker told me he found some stuff on the internet about me. have a great day and keep stoking. I will try to bowl again in the very near future. I will post where and when. since i dont have any equiptment and walked in a pro shop and almost had a stroke. 300 for a ball. I had a pro shop and a ball was 35 bucks DRILLED!!i have to hit the lottery to buy 2 balls and a pair of linds.
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Post by Senior citizen on May 22, 2003 8:36:43 GMT -5
I was not around the game from 1976-1981, so I never got a chance to see you. Beating doc, perry and behrbom were accomplishments. Doran and starr,no big deal. snake when he was rolling a few years was good, so that is an accomplishment. neumann is a nice guy. How many. from the buffalo area are not. I actually met him two months ago. he came in to bowl a lustig.He was out of the game for a few years. came back two years ago. won the eliminator in vegas in jan. for 30g. He was a degenerate gambler and coke freak for years and still won more than anybody including rudy in the 90s as an amateur, well over 1m grossed. I think he is clean now. That was not the reason he quit. He would have and could do well on tour. I was reminded recently that he finished sixth at Carolier and dumped the last game because he did not want to make the show. If he made the show and won, he would never be allowed to bowl in the megabucks again. I checked the other night. on the pba website which until this had the cashers and top 24 and final scores of all the stops going back to 1959. I printed everything out. I verified that in 1997, he did finish sixth, missed the show by 15 pins and was only 25 pins from third. Of course the best WRW won for the third time. Neumann also finished tenth in another pba event about 10 years ago in Vegas. so two stops and two great finishes. He does not bowl in league play and told me his overall average in tournaments is 210, which is real good, considering in the high rollers the scores are not that high. He's really good in the tenth. By the way, the week he came in, he told me he bowled Scianna and lost two or three straight. When you said $300. hope you were talking about getting two balls. two new balls, a bag and shoes should run around $400. of course you are looking to practice if you return. need to rent a lane at an hourly rate. cost of games today $3.50-$4.00. you can rent a lane for probably $20 an hour. sorry for rambling on. back to work before my boss yells at me. Later.
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Post by Senior citizen on May 22, 2003 8:42:37 GMT -5
Louis, what national stops did you finish 12th and 24th? you also said you have seven dogs. You must have a giant house and alot of kids to walk them. I'm a cat lover myself.
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Post by Senior citizen on May 22, 2003 8:45:31 GMT -5
Louis just read your apology. No need. You did not offend me, maybe kidder. We were not friends, just another great bowling rat I knew.
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Post by Louis on May 22, 2003 14:42:13 GMT -5
Hi senior I loved bowling in Lustig tourney's he ran good ,fair tourney's and was a nice guy. without his effort big payout tournaments would have been dead and also some good matches since all the good bowlers came to his events there would always be some side bets or action after it was all over.Its funny I bowled keith doran after the garden city classic league WE WERE teammates. Iwhooped him so bad and rubbed it in he tried to attack me jumping over the settee at me it was funny I am 6'2 and about 230 then. not only whooped him on the lanes but on the settee. He was not to bad of a bowler but 2 ego's on one team !!!!! I also bowled with and against les sager who alot of people in this post said was fair at best. but he was tough on hooking lanes bowled with him at Kenmore in the mid to late 70's he was good in the tenth.
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Post by Louis on May 22, 2003 14:53:02 GMT -5
24 th was regional winners classic It was the 1st stop on the fall tour. and 12 th windsor locks.26th at Grand Prairie 28th at vegas 36th at winston salem also cashed in about 4 or 5 other events My best tourneys were the 24 game qualifying formats regionals finishes were 1st plainview bowl 3rd country lanes 4th country lanes (following year) 7th the bloomfield bowl 9th endicott (eastern champions classic) 14th windsor locks remeber I only bowled PBA about 3 years
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Post by Louis on May 22, 2003 15:02:46 GMT -5
Senior my wife is an animal control officer and we also have 14 cats my dogs are 2 chineese crested 2 giant shnauzers 2 mutts and a pitt bull. cats i have 3 russian blues 1 abasinian 4 black cats 4 main coons and 2 orange tabby's. plus we just adopted out 10 kittens and 8 pitt bull puppies. THANK GOD. Puppies and kittens are alot of work.We have been doing rescue for about 10 years . where are you from these days ? I am in western N.J.
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Post by Senior citizen on May 22, 2003 15:41:18 GMT -5
Louis, I have always been from NY. Can you tell me what years you had those finishes on tour? Never to undermind your wins and great finishes in the regionals, but today's regionals the field is tougher. Down south wrw competes in alot. Here in the east, shafer, delutz, bohn (sometimes), kent compete in alot since there are only 20 pba stops. the east has the toughest conditions and if you win one here, you have really beaten the best in the east. No more walls in the east or down south. If you ever bowl again, post here. It would be a pleasure to meet you. I am a bowler by the way.Nothing special since i do not bowl alot but I know and can play the game. A few 300s and a 799 with 32 strikes(278 high and imagine I was only four from perfection).
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Post by Louis on May 22, 2003 16:55:54 GMT -5
I must differ with you about regionals being tougher now. Try bowling against Roth, Rags, Berardi,Sliker,couture,Spygner,Moser,Kilgannon,schlagel webb and all the rest of the great eastern pro's of the day.when i won there were 192 bowlers vying for 8 berths into the finals. 41 over for 10 games made the cut. I was 110 under after 3 the lanes were flying. Tony Lackawitz was in charge then and i wanted to w/d after 3 and he threatened to fine me if i didnt go out and bowl. well i did and ended up 42 under after 5. next block ( i was playing the 5th arrow by now) I shoot 95 over and make the finals then I won my 1st 7 matches Thats all they wrote .1st PBA tourney as a pba member 1 st cash 1st finals 1st win ALL IN THE SAME DAY. not many people can claim that feat. Oh yea try playing 5th arrow with a rotostar sr at mach 3 speed and carry. Regional wins are action becouse you have many head to head matches to determine the outcome. Man I miss those days.
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Post by Stevie Wonder on May 22, 2003 18:37:57 GMT -5
Lou, I enjoy reading your posts. You have a great memory. I was talking with Ernie S. a couple of weeks ago and he has the same ability. He was telling me about matches at Central in the 60's with details like what pair, who, how much, scores, leaves, what was said, etc. What memories for all of us who were there.
By the way, I live near Bridgewater now, where are you?
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Post by Louis on May 22, 2003 19:32:14 GMT -5
I am real close to you do you know where circle lanes is in succasunna.I am about 1 mile from there.what is your real name You can email me @lcapasso331@hotmail.com if you prefer annonimity. and maybe we can get together or talk on the phone . . How is ernie is he local. please email .me I am bored and need old stories . I am playing alot of golf these days and have played once with teata semiz his son lives close to me. I was shocked to see him but i always knew he was a good golfer. we were both kinda taken back meeting on a golf coarse and all
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Post by Senior Citizen on May 22, 2003 20:54:43 GMT -5
You may be right about the regionals. However the scores are just as low in the east if not lower as they were when you were bowling. check out the pba website(professional bowlers association). And you still have two of the top ten bowlers in the world, delutz and shafer bowling in most of them. And bohn sometimes best lefty ever from the east and one of the top 3 of all time. I still would like to know what years you had those finishes on the national tour. And that was a great accomplishment winning your first regional the first time you entered. However, it was not the tour. out of those 192 bowlers no doubt, 150 did not belong. Duke was the only bowler to win his first stop as a rookie at 18. Rags won his first stop at the age of 19 in 1966. Lemon was 20 for his first win. The fields are not as big today I believe because too many touring 1 pros across the country are competing. And please the next time you have a list of bowlers. leave out the killer's(killgannon) name. He was real good but never in the same class with those you mentioned.
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Post by Louis on May 22, 2003 23:44:08 GMT -5
The regional champions classic was 1978 or 1979 I believe and windsor locks was 1979.I also made 3 semi finals those were only in national format tourneys like vegas the world open and the us open. i bowled in about 50 national events but unfortunatly cashed in only about 12. i was 18 when i went on tour too young.but also only 18 when i won the regional.I BOWLED MY 1ST Tourny in virginia as an amatuer. Pete Hakim and i went to bowl the rabbit I made the cut. he didnt,unfortunatly. I was in the top 24 the 1st 2 rounds but didnt make the cut. Louie moore won the event I crossed with him.That week is the week I had my Pba app signed by Earl anthony Rags and roth .It was 1 day after turning 18 4/1/77. and I thought Killer was a good bowler maybe not great but he was tough for a few years. I just wish I could have seen the horn in 65 . Joe s taught me how to drill balls when i was 15 years old and i hung in his pro shop and heard all the stories.there was one about this guy Kangaroo beating rags at fortway lanes . Kangaroo was about a 180 bowler at best he was the toughest with a broomstick or kicking the ball down the lane.some of my favorite action was bowling lefty against snake and spallone and a couple of other guys all of us bowling with the wrong hand for 20 agame at country lanes ,Talk about funny!!!!!
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Post by SC on May 23, 2003 0:36:31 GMT -5
SC from now on. The years were 67 and 68 when the horn was at his best. Joe s was real good in his day before richie. Did he ever tell you that he beat the lefy with two tour wins from the island johnny myers for 10g. Jamesie's mom put up the cash. they took a check from myers for 6g. That's how they won so much. never saw this match.
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Post by LC on May 23, 2003 10:41:35 GMT -5
LC FROM NOW ON. I SAW MEYERS BOWL , HE WAS GOOD HE BOWLED AT GARDEN CITY IN THE LATE 70'S OR 1980 KILLER BOWLED INTHAT LEAGUE WITH A SLEW OF OTHER GOOD BOWLERS SAM , LASHER , CV THE LEAGUE WAS STRONG
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Post by striker on May 27, 2003 14:06:55 GMT -5
Did you bowle keith doran at garden city? I remember a match there were i think it was you bowling doran after the league you blasted him but good then you rubbed it in and he tried to attack you. Now those were the days.
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Post by old dog on May 27, 2003 20:09:25 GMT -5
SC from now on. The years were 67 and 68 when the horn was at his best. Joe s was real good in his day before richie. Did he ever tell you that he beat the lefy with two tour wins from the island johnny myers for 10g. Jamesie's mom put up the cash. they took a check from myers for 6g. That's how they won so much. never saw this match. Jamesie's mom (Josie) use to have the lunch bar at Windsor lanes (15th Ave Brookly) in the late 50's She would back the young kids there against other teenages from other house like Ave M Bowl. Did any one see the match at New Parkway in Brooklyn, Johnny Myers and Sis Montavano (or something like that) against Bert Goodman and Dick, it was a romp with Johnny And Sis winning.
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