HARRY THE HORSE A FREAKIN MORON

[OLD TIMER]

Read his post about the US Open above. This old man is one fuc--- idiot who knows shit about the game. The shot was tough all week and on tv. That's why the scores were not that high even with resin. Throwing the ball straight at spares. The best around at SINGLE PIN spares have been throwing the ball straight at one pin spares for about thirty years. The best at spares today, Walter Ray Williams JR. and Norm Duke do it. Thirty years ago and later Roth and Berardi did it. What the fu-- have you been watching all these years. You should call yourself Harry WITH No FUC--- Brain, not HARRY the Horse.

[Ill take a clue for 100 Alex]

Harry the Clueless

[professor]

alex can u even count to 100 you home schooled moron

[alex trebek]

hey moron he wasnt talking about alex cavagnaro he was talking about alex trebek from the television show jeopardy. ever heard of it, its been on for decades. but i guess an intelligent public schooled braniac like you should probably know it...or is jeopardy to sophisticated for your pea brain you jackass. peace out moron

[professor]

who's alex trebek and what show is he on

[professors an idiot 4 100 Alex]

Professor Clueless

[OLDER THAN DEATH]

How come Harry the brainless fuc--- horse has not commented here? This stupid bastard does not want to make a fool out of himself. Get the tapes out you stupid asshole.

[Harry the Horse]

Hey, "Older Than Death" - I haven't commented because I just now saw all these posts for the first time. So here's what I think about all these comments: if any of you disagree with what I said, you don't know the first thing about bowling, or else you don't how to read right. "Old Timer" said "The shot was tough all night." I never said it wasn't. That was exactly my point. What I said was that their way of trying to overcome the toughness was all wrong. If you can't keep the ball outside because the lanes are flying, you should SPEED up the delivery. Instead, they used a ridiculous line that could not ever properly hit the pocket at the correct angle. By speeding up the delivery, you can keep the ball outside longer, and that way still use a normal line. Not one of them ever thought to change their speed, and they just let the ball control them, instead of them controlling the ball.

Next - "Old Timers" ridiculous comment: he's talking about "the best around at making single pin spares" This is easily the stupidest thing I've ever heard. It's like saying "the best around at opening a door," or "the best around at tying your shoelaces." No professional or action bowler, or even a good league bowler should EVER miss a one pin spare. So to talk about it in relative terms like "better or worse" or "the best around" is idiotic. You can only be "better or worse" or "the best around" at doing something that's difficult, not at doing something ridiculously easy, like making a one pin spare. I was an action bowler for years, with and against the best, and in all the years I bowled and watched, I never missed, and I never saw anyone else miss, a one pin spare, with the exception of an occasional and rare ten pin. It was simply unheard of. And just for the record, only one or two bowlers in those days ever threw a straight ball at a one pin spare, because they knew better.

Now - back to this stupid idea of throwing a straight ball. Take a piece of paper and draw a picture of a lane. Then make a dot to represent the five pin. Then make another dot dead center on the foul line to represent the point of release of the ball. Now take a ruler and draw a straight line from one dot to the other to represent the path of the ball. Perfect hit. Spare! Right. NOW - keep the ruler right on the foul line dot, and move the other end just a little bit to the right. You see immediately that while the space between the original line and the edge of the ruler is small near the foul line, it gets larger and larger as you go down the lane, and when it gets to where the five pin dot is, that space is very large. This illustrates what I said: when you throw a straight ball, if you are a little off your intended line, that little gets more and more off as the ball goes down the lane, so you really have to be extremely accurate when you throw a straight ball. As I explained, you have much more margin for error when you throw a hook. The ball comes in on a wide angle from right to left, and you can't possibly miss, unless you're a 160 bowler. But even a professional can miss with a straight ball, because you have to be much more accurate. And my point was proven at the U. S. Open when this guy actually missed a three pin with a straight ball.

And just for the record - this "old man" as "Old Timer" called me, is only sixty - I weigh the exact same as I did in my action days, 5' 11" - 160 pounds - I play tough fast sports like paddleball and basketball against guys in their twenties, and I run circles around them. I hurt my back and had to give up bowling, or else I would still be bowling today. And if I bowled with today's equipment, I would carry out any of you clowns.

[Harry is clueless]

To Harry the shithead the u.s. open was hooking in the middle and the outside was unplayable with ob. That is why you could not speed up the ball and play the outside. If you hooked at spares and missed 1 board left or got a little soft the ball would hook an extra 5-8 boards down the lane thus making the margin for error smaller. I guess you never left a 3 pin in your elite career. How could this guy be a putz if he made the show and 456 other people didn't? What was you highest finish in the u.s. open past or present? As far as your back being the reason you don't bowl sounds a little fishy, I guess you don't need a back to play paddleball or basketball. You probably injured your back from bending over so much. Why not get some therapy and show us all how you will out carry us. Btw it is not carry out you idiot. You don't sound like a real bowler if you rely on carry and not making good shots. You don't bowl because you suck and thats the bottom line.

[Harry the Horse]

Having a bad back means the doctor says to not go around picking up and flinging a sixteen pound weight, which puts stress on your lower back, but you can swing a racquet, and run around okay.

"Carry out" was not referring to the hit. The term "carry out" was commonly used back then to mean "slaughtered" or "beat badly." We "carried them out." Ask any old timer. I just assumed it was still in use.

Yes, as a matter of fact I never once left a three pin in action. My belief was that you should NEVER come in high. If you come in high, you're lost. You should always favor risking being a little light rather than risk being high, because if you're light and you have enough ball, you can throw a sweeper or a mixer, and still strike. Also if you're light, even if you don't strike, you generally don't leave a split. When you're high, all kinds of bad things can happen - weird leaves, and horrible splits. So if you're not high, you can't possibly leave a three pin.

I saw what the lanes were doing, and I agree with you about how they were playing. But that doesn't mean that they couldn't have adjusted their speed. What I meant was that they should have speeded up the ball AND adjusted their line. There is no such thing as the "outside being unplayable." There is ALWAYS some kind of outside line that can be used in conjunction with increased speed. You just have to find it.

As for my calling this guy a "putz," I didn't mean a putz in general. What I meant was that he was a putz for coming in high four times in a row on the same lane, without making some adjustment. Would YOU let yourself come in high four times in a row on the same lane without making a correction after the first time and definitely after the second? I don't think so. I think you would know better.

[Reality Check]

Harry without getting confrontational unless you bowled on the shot you can't really understand the shot..there were many great bowlers who tried to stay right of the head pin and adjust speed and delivery..They did not make the show..To assume these bowlers aren't great because you watched the culmination of a total grind out week shows ignorance and lacks class Ever see a Pro Golfer miss a 3 foot putt to lose it happens and thats what happened to Mike..If you tried to hook at spares on that shot you had to be more accurate than trying to throw it straight because of the nature of the pattern..I've been bowling since 1968 so I know all about old school and new school..you my friend are way out of touch as you stated in your opening "I haven't watched bowling on TV in thirty five years"..Sick to hitting that little ball against the wall and leave the bowling to the pros who are way better than you ever were

[Bronx old timer]

If this is the same Harry the Horse I knew from Tremont Lanes in the sixties, he was a top action bowler. I remember him being smart for an action bowler. College guy. I don't know if this is him, but it sounds like him. If it is, he knew a lot about the mecanics of bowling. If somebody was in a slump they would ask him for help. He would watch them bowl a few frames, and then tell them what they were doeing wrong. I also remeber he knew a lot about reading lanes and how to play them, so it sounds like maybe this is the same guy.

[Reality check]

maybe it is but the game is alot different today. Most old rules don't apply.I've been around since the sixties and have been through all the changes..

[OLD TIMER]

Maybe should call your self harry the hump. You sound like one. What a fraken life. Can't bowl anymore because of his supposed bad back but he plays basketball and paddleball against 20 year old retards. Stop with your know it less crap. Who did you ever beat harry the hump? You were just another degenerate gambler and most of them lie!

[Harry the Horse]

Hi "Reality Check"

You started off by saying you weren't going to be confrontational, and ended up by insulting me. But that's okay, because your comments were reasonable and thought out. And at least you know how to spell, which is more than I can say about most on this site.

You said "unless you bowled on the shot you can't really understand the shot," but then you yourself commented " If you tried to hook at spares on that shot you had to be more accurate than trying to throw it straight because of the nature of the pattern." Aren't you commenting on the shot yourself, and you didn't bowl on it. Any experienced bowler can watch what balls are consistently doing on a lane, and pretty well figure out the shot. You also said "there were many great bowlers who tried to stay right of the head pin and adjust speed and delivery. They did not make the show." Well, surely you know very well that all these other bowlers were not bowling on that pair on that day. It's impossible that the shot stayed exactly the same for a week with all those games being rolled. The bowlers in the finals are the only ones we're concerned with here, and only with the shot that THEY were facing. We have all faced all kinds of lane conditions, and I had never in my action days faced any lane where you could not one way or the other adjust your speed and line together to stay right of the head pin. Sure, sometimes it was harder, sometime very much harder, but there is ALWAYS some combination of speed and line that works, and it's up to the bowlers to find it. Incidentally, I did not see anyone in the finals attempt to adjust his speed, only his line. The guys in the final match had two full games to watch the shot, plus their warm-ups, and then several frames. One thing is indisputable. No matter what the shot is, you simply can't do the same wrong thing over and over. You have to make adjustments after the first wrong thing, whatever that was. This guy did not make any adjustment, and that is what I was commenting on.

[Reality check]

I did bowl on it the last 2 years and on similar patterns all over NY and the country...I agree Mike looked like he couldn't make the adjustment but if you had bowled on the shot you would know how tough it was and that most of the bowlers that were successful played a similar shot..I remember watching many greats throughout the years and now on ESPN Classics struggle on the show..It was his first time on TV for a Major for you to call him a rag as oppossed to commenting as you did in your response was out of line and out of touch...My response at the end was showing you the same regard that you had shown the cream of the crop of a sport I still participate in and love

[Harry the Horse]

Okay "Reality." I'll concede - maybe the game has just changed a lot. Believe me, I love the game as much as you do. As I said, I hadn't watched in many years, and my memories were of great bowlers I bowled with and against who simply never did any of the things I saw happening on television, so it just left me with a bad impression.

I would like to suggest something - the next time you are facing a shot like that, try really increasing your speed by a LOT. I know the fear is that if you try that, maybe the ball won't come up in time, but that's an unfounded fear. The ball will always break - the bowler just needs to find exactly the right speed and line to make the break come at just the right moment. After a number of shots during warm-ups, you will find the right speed. Even if it hangs a couple of times, you just slightly further adjust your speed, or you keep the same speed and adjust your line. Try it on your own some time on that kind of shot, during private practice, and just see what happens.

[Reality check]

I live right of the head pin and had a good shot but not enough to make matchplay Thanks

[TodaynotYesterday]

Relating what you could do back in the day with rubber balls and whatever was used for conditioner to new ball technology and an oil pattern that is put out to obliterate the advantage of this new technology is like comparing apples to oranges. You may have knew it all in the day, but unless you have bowled recently....shut your pie hole. BTW...I suck...but you are stuck in yesteryear.

[Harry the Horse]

Okay, enough of this. I'm not replying any more, and don't bother writing any more posts, because I won't be reading any of them, so you'll just be wasting your time. Not that your time is worth anything anyway. In my day, a lot of bowlers were just uneducated, illiterate lowlifes. I see nothing has changed. The only one of you that has responded on this thread who has any brains or education is Reality Check. Why don't you buffoons read his posts - that is if you know how to read - and see how to write a reasonable, well written reply, that makes his case in a calm sensible way, that even made me see that maybe I made a hasty judgment in some respects, instead of cursing and foaming at the mouth. It's characters like you that have always given the sport a bad image. Good riddance to all of you.

[Harry is clueless]

No good riddance to you and thanks for not bowling anymore.

[reality check]

I think Harry showed himself to be reasonable hopefully he will amend his post on the other page

[OLD TIMER]

Hairy the hump, that's funnier, has nothing better to do but to live in the past. finally admitted he does not know shit about today's game. You should have done your home work before you opened your stupid big mouth, hairy.

[Harry the Horse]

Thanks Reality Check - I deleted it altogether.

To you other imbeciles - I told you I wasn't going to read your posts, and so not to waste your time, but because you are all cretins, you posted anyway. Just so you know - I haven't read them and I'm not going to. I only looked down the left side for one from Reality Check and found it, and took his advice, because he's a gentleman.

Now - since none of you got past the third grade, I'm going to give you all a spelling lesson. Today's lesson is how to spell CAT. C-A-T. CAT. I was going to tell you to practice that as much as you practice your bowling, but judging from your bowling, you couldn't have practiced that very much. Tomorrow's lesson will be how to spell DOG. You should all know how to spell that, because that's what you all are as bowlers - dogs. I would have LOVED to get any of you on the lanes when I was in action. I can guarantee you I would have given you all a bowling lesson, and made you look silly at the same time. I knew more about lanes and lines than all of you put together, and also how to properly deliver a ball. In fact, since I averaged 190 with my opposite hand, THAT would have been enough to beat any of you. So take my advice - go back to public school and learn how to read and write. At least then you might be able to get a job as a janitor.

To Reality Check - good luck on the tour.

[Harry is OK]

Thanks harry ,I'm not on tour but bowl as many events as I can..Take care Formerly Reality Check

[TodaynotYesterday]

Are you sure your name isn't Lou Capasso? LOL!

[Harry is ok]

Who???

[TodaynotYesterday]

The greatest action bowler of all time!

[Bronx old timer]

I've been following all this, and now I'm sure that this is the Harry the Horse I saw bowl in the sixties. I think your right, he is living in the past, but I can tell you, he was tough to beat. I once saw him beat Frank Medici three game out of five down at Tremont Lanes, and that wasnt easy. I think the low game was in the 240s.

[Your mamas tit]

Hairy the hump get a life. You're still living in the sixties. Wow!