VNL1
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Post by VNL1 on Dec 19, 2003 11:56:54 GMT -5
Results of match between Judge & John Rubeo vs Alex and Mike Fagan that took place on Thursday night/Friday morning, December 18/19, 2003 at Van Nest Lanes, Bronx, NY.
Match bowled on "S" Shot
Lanes 1 & 2
Game 1 (Winner A & M)
Alex 237
Mike 228
John 196
Judge 184
Game 2 (Winner A & M)
Alex 219
Mike 206
John 199
Judge 214
Game 3 (Winner J & J)
Alex 181
Mike 201
John 183
Judge 233
Game 4 (Winner J & J)
Alex 215
Mike 220
John 276
Judge 191
Game 5 (Winner J & J)
Alex 184
Mike 180
John 246
Judge 187
Match moved to Lanes 3 & 4
Game 6 (Winner J & J)
Alex 156
Mike 229
John 248
Judge 199
Game 7 (Winner J & J)
Alex 188
Mike 185
John 225
Judge 234
Singles Match
Game 1
Alex 235
Judge 218
Game 2
Alex 177
Judge 247
J & J up 3 in doubles - Singles was a draw.
Momentum of match changed dramatically when John Rubeo made a ball change and began using "Spongebob Squarepants" plastic ball to start the 4th game. After some time, each of the other bowlers attempted to use their own plastic balls - Mike using his "Cow", Alex using his "Basketball", and Judge using his own "Spongebob" ball, but John had the most success by far. Alex and Judge eventually went back to using their regular equipment.
Credit to Mike Fagan - of all the professional bowlers who have bowled at Van Nest on this particular pattern, he showed the best ability and most consistent scoring.
Another entertaining evening/morning with some quality bowlers at Van Nest Lanes.
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Post by createarea on Dec 19, 2003 17:08:45 GMT -5
Interesting....thanks for the report.
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Post by Billy Tops on Dec 20, 2003 2:28:49 GMT -5
Thanks VNL1
That's the kind of reports we need.
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VNL1
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Post by VNL1 on Dec 20, 2003 17:56:18 GMT -5
Mr. Tops,
Thanks to you and whomever you run this site with, for providing a section like this where Action bowling can be discussed intelligently, and with respect.
Personally, I think the entire site should be run in this fashion.
I will continue to report on action from Van Nest Lanes, Bronx, NY. as well as any other action matches that I happen to witness.
Season Greetings
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Post by HarryBar on Dec 20, 2003 19:46:47 GMT -5
Thanks VNL1, you're the best. Wish we had this technolgy back in the action days. Keep up the reports.
Although we were too busy staying up all night in the alleys.
Happy Holidays to all.
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Post by Billy Tops on Dec 20, 2003 21:03:26 GMT -5
It will be our pleasure to hear from you as often as possible.
I will be setting up a special section for these type of action reports to be housed in, if anyone can send in some digital photos of the lanes, side action candid shots, , bowler's, lunch counters, bars, etc, I will add them to the section.
I wish a good holiday to all.
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Post by alexxx on Dec 28, 2003 19:50:27 GMT -5
You failed to mention that we were promised a rematch wherever we wanted IF we bowled at van nest on the S shot.. which we did, and we still have no rematch. they know we only have till january 5 when mike goes back on tour.. add that to the website
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Post by Louis Capasso on Dec 29, 2003 10:19:38 GMT -5
i enjoy vnl's posts i only wish it wasnt an hr and a half to van nest. and to alex be cool they beat you. what can you do. sport shot, wall whatever . everyone had the same shot. i remember bowling snake and tee at park circle where the lanes were not oiled for days. me and joe c bowled antway and lost the doubles match than i bowled singles against snake and won becouse i didnt complain about the shot just played end of story
is there an advantage due to the way someone bowls or throws the ball yes definatly , but a good bowler adjusts and MAKES SHOTS. its simple make good shots and you should strke if not make the spare. do it enough and you may win unless your opponant does it better, it seems like Judge and Rubeo did it better than you and mike.
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Post by alexxx on Dec 29, 2003 13:37:18 GMT -5
whose complaining they beat us? we only bowled because they both promised us a rematch wherever we wanted if we bowled them on that shot. it was a two house match.. and they havent fufilled there end of the bargain, thats all.
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Post by Billy Tops on Dec 29, 2003 19:25:13 GMT -5
You sound completely correct on this one, it should of been set up differently so they couldn't back out.
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Post by Junior on Dec 30, 2003 0:49:29 GMT -5
Just for the record, we had bowled Fagan and Alex about 3 months ago in Whitestone Lanes and we lost about 8 grand and we were promised a rematch at Van Nest and we waited 3 months and the bet went from $1000 at Whitestone to $400 at Van Nest. We went 11 down and they went three down. Also, we stood on the same pair for the whole match at Whitestone and they asked to swithch pairs after 3 games at Van Nest. I think it is only fair that they can wait for us now. They didnt even recipricate with the same bet at our house.
I think before any one passes judgement they should know the whole story about this match.
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Post by alexxx on Dec 30, 2003 5:53:59 GMT -5
TERMS OF THE MATCH WERE :
WE BOWL YOU GUYS AT VANNEST ON S SHOT..
you in your own words said and i quote:
"we will bowl you wherever you want on sunday, i am a man of my word, you know me"
yes we beat you guys at whitestone, u want a rematch mike fagan has been on tour the whole year, me and many others have bowled you at van nest in the mean time. now we gave u ur rematch, and expect the rest of the match to be finished.. i should have known when i asked for no monies to be paid until we bowled in both houses and you said no, i should have known you were trying to scam us. dont worry though go have ur 50$ action now, cause no one will bowl you again, never at vannest.
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Post by alexxx on Dec 30, 2003 6:02:19 GMT -5
you also failed to mention that of that 1000$, 900 hasnt been paid because you guys claim that someone on our "side" owes you money from other gambling.. which number 1, he was betting 50$ a game, number 2, it has nothing to do with our bowling match, and number 3 u should take that up personally with the person, has nothing to do with me or fagan. but i didnt even blow that up because it dont matter, i took the loss. but now that your knit picking .. ill let everyone know whats going on . you lied plain and simple. you got ur shot at vnl that ur good on, good for you, i know i cant beat you on that. youve proven that, no ones gunna bowl u there anymore.
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Post by Junior on Dec 30, 2003 10:33:01 GMT -5
Well, lets let everyone know the true story about your so called $900. You fail to mention a close friend of ours put his name on the line for you when you guys thought that you were the riverboat gamblers in sports betting. You guys lost 10 grand and disappeared for a month. Our friend laid the money out and was shorted $500. Therefore, he shorted you guys from the match at Whitestone. And, if i am correct, he only owes you $200. What does that have to do with the fact of the bet dropping to $400 from $1000.
The bottom line is that you made us wait three months now you can wait too. Nobody can tell us that we r bad action. We r the best action around. When people bowl us they know that they can win $10,000, cant win that off you guys.
Ask anybody and they will tell you that we r not bad action by no stretch of the imagination.
The reason why we won't ghet any action at Van Nest anymore is because nobody can beat us there. Especially me, nobody and I repeat NOBODY will bowl me on that shot. So don't say that we won't get action there because we r bad action, it is just nobody can figure the shot out and nobody has beaten us there. Simple as that.
I don't need your action and I don't need action period. I work for a living, unlike you. Therefore, I will continue to make my office at Van Nest Lanes and anyone who wants to bowl us knows how to contact us.
When you spill the beans, make sure the whole can empties, not just half of it.
YOU WILL WAIT FOR YOUR REMATCH JUST LIKE WE DID, AND THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE. WE WAITED...NOW YOU WAIT.
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Post by Actionanyone on Dec 30, 2003 15:03:09 GMT -5
I cant believe that this is what it has come to. No one is good action out there anymore. Good action not sitting in one house, and bowling on the one shot that you live on. Sure, if someone wants to come bowl you there that is a different story, but to claim that your 'good action' in a house you live in, well then so are 99% of the bowlers that average 230 in there own house. Everyone is talented, good action is bowling whoever they want, for whatever they want, no matter what the shot is. House shots, PBA shots, created shots, bowl on whats out there, everywhere.
As far as good action, there is none of it out there anymore, it died a long time ago, action was ruined. You want good action, show me someone who bowls when they dont have the edge 100% of the time, thats good action!
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Post by alexxx on Dec 30, 2003 16:11:58 GMT -5
i did mention how you claimed my freind owed you money from sports gambling, but what does he have to do with me or fagan, nothing. there was 5 other people betting on us at whitestone, at van nest it was me and fagan betting only. there was no terms of what the bet had to be.
figuring out that shot has nothing to do with it. its a 5-5 wall. i can average 220 -230 and still never beat u on it cause your game is perfect for it.
me and my friends are the only people that will bowl just about anyone anywhere. i have no home house and no one has ever come to long island to bowl me except chris johnson who i beat at whitestone
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Post by Billy Tops on Dec 30, 2003 16:50:45 GMT -5
Good action is when people respect each others ability, does that exsist anymore.
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Post by Junior on Dec 30, 2003 16:52:44 GMT -5
Actionanyone, for your personal information, we have traveled everywhere they wanted us to go, so we don't sit in one house and claim to be good action...we r good action. We have bowled this crew in Bellrose, Whitestone, Gun Post, Bowlerland, etc. We have done our fair share of traveling, so if u don't know us or the whole story why comment, there is no need for it. This is a conversation between me and Alex.
I have bowled Alex everywhere we have been. Me and my partner have bowled them doubles everywhere they wanted. We have nothing to prove to anyone. I have bowled Fagan once on his conditions and once on mine. So I can't see how we stay in one house and brag, because we definitely don't.
As for my partner, he has traveled everywhere to accomodate these guys and I have been with him every step of the way.
Also, we have not just bowled them in our house on one particular shot, we have bowled on the house shot, the "S" shot, several different sport patterns, so you really have no idea of what you are talking about.
As I said before, people should have the whole can spilled, not just half of it. The whole story needs to be spoken not just drips and drabs.
We have bowled them on every possible shot we could. So it hasn't been a one house wonder match. We have bowled several times in Van Nest, but not always on the same shot. Several different ones to be honest with u. Also, as I said before, we have done our share of travelling before, maybe we are just tired of travelling and always getting the bad end of the stick. I can't tell you how many times we have gone to other houses and people have quit up on us, it has happened an awful lot. Now it is our turn to call the shots, we have nothing to prove.
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Post by Junior on Dec 30, 2003 16:56:01 GMT -5
Alex, you say nobody has ever come to the island to bowl you...well that is false. I know I have bowled you at Whitestone and I know Judge has bowled you in several houses on the island. I just don't know where you come up with these stories.
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Post by Billy Tops on Dec 30, 2003 19:30:14 GMT -5
It’s a pleasure to read an honest debate with the different parties stating their case without name calling involved, that’s what this board is all about, thanks guys.
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Post by Actionanyone on Dec 30, 2003 21:23:44 GMT -5
Whitestone, Gun Post, Bellerose, etc. doesnt sound like places on Long Island to me. You can claim to be good action, and maybe you are, but I dont see it. Promise a guy that if he comes bowls you on your shot in your place and you will bowl him somewhere he wants, then not follow through is like quitting up on a guy. Where is that good action?
Sure I may not know all the specifics, nor do I care to know them all. Personally, action bowling is a thing that doesnt exist anymore. Sure, there are times when people bowl action, but they are far and few in between. Maybe I guess, I was just taught the game different then most of you have been shown. Sad part is I am not that much older then many of you, if at all. I know all of you, seen all of you, and at some time bowled all of you. Bowling is a crap shoot now thats why there is no 'good action' anymore.
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