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Dec 6, 2006 11:22:05 GMT -5
Post by Bryan Manno on Dec 6, 2006 11:22:05 GMT -5
I haven't seen much
but know enough about people like Scianna (hey Joe) and Rudy Revs to know that they are pretty good. I wish I could have seen the oldies like Mike and others, but I guess I am too young. My grandfather, who knew Lemongello well, always told me that when I was growing up I should model my game after his b/c he was and always would be the best bowler in the world. I can't say I disagree.
(Bryan Manno)
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Dec 6, 2006 11:24:31 GMT -5
Post by Lou Gaudio Jr on Dec 6, 2006 11:24:31 GMT -5
It is still great to be a good bowler in New York
There is still action if you know where to look. I think the problem today is that the lanes are too easy no matter where you go. Who wants to put up $1000 a game, on a carry contest. I have bowled action against Rudy "Revs", Billy "Red", Joe Scianna, and others. It is great experience espescially for tournament play. However, it seems like you always break out even. For me I don't have the kind of money to play $1000 a game, so why should I make someone else the money. You can't beat bowling in tournaments like the World Match Games, or Jim Lustig tournaments, because you only have to put up $100 or $200 bucks to win $2 or $3000.
Lou Gaudio Jr
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Dec 6, 2006 11:27:05 GMT -5
Post by Mark K on Dec 6, 2006 11:27:05 GMT -5
I lived and breathed action bowling
for the best 22 years of my life. Thanks for the memories. I use to love sitting in the stands at Paramus and watch some truly great classic leagues and matches
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Dec 6, 2006 11:29:18 GMT -5
Post by Bill L on Dec 6, 2006 11:29:18 GMT -5
I have made a lot of money in my life.
I would give up half of it if I could experiance those great days again. I didn't bowl myself but loved betting on the matches. I couldn't get enough of it at the time, 50s, 60s & 70s and really miss it now. It was the best times of my life. The bowlers were really great.
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Dec 7, 2006 6:39:42 GMT -5
Post by Mike Yenza on Dec 7, 2006 6:39:42 GMT -5
There are so many memories of Brooklyn bowling I started bowling action in the mid 70's and all I can remember is traveling alot to Maple, Diplomat, Gil Hodges, Ave M bowl. There were too many characters to mention (all had their qwerks!). Bowling has become an equipment sport. Skilled young people are so hard to find (besides, why make spares when you throw 10 strikes a game?). Be sure to check out www.nybowler.com for any additional bowling stuff!
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Dec 7, 2006 6:50:30 GMT -5
Post by Tom Triple on Dec 7, 2006 6:50:30 GMT -5
My first match was against Chuck "Sharp".
I lost. My next whoopin' came from "Dyno" Don Starr. I lost. One day I beat Barry Bernstein 19 out of 26. I won. My next best day was when i bowled Billy Gambino when he used "collection money" and I beat him just before old man Schwartz came in to Falcaros and broke up the "party". I won. 2 wins-2 losses...oh well. Lots of others in between including odd pin, one finger odd pin, 2 ball odd pin, 175 or better- 8 or less is double zero,etc... It was the good old days..
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Dec 7, 2006 10:22:26 GMT -5
Post by Andy K on Dec 7, 2006 10:22:26 GMT -5
The greatest night of bowling
I remember is when this skinny, short, 16year old kid walked into Ave M Bowl in Brooklyn NY and wiped out all the big name action bowlers. The kid looked like he wasn't strong enough to use a 16lb ball. His name was Mike Lemongello
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Dec 8, 2006 5:11:57 GMT -5
Post by Spider on Dec 8, 2006 5:11:57 GMT -5
The best match I ever saw
was held at Rainbow lanes in Brooklyn NY, 1976, Johnny Petraglia and Mark Roth vs Cliffie Bergman and Jeff Kidda. Rainbow was Marks home alleys, Cliffie and Jeff lost three straight and their backer Bill Daley covered all bets. At this point Bill said the doubles match was over but Jeff would bowl Mark head to head and he'd cover the house. Mark said no, I couldn't believe it, but that's how much respect they had for Jeff Kidder. It was like a TV match, they closed the whole top floor, they bowled on the center lanes and the house was packed for this confrontation. Those were part of the great days of bowling.
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Dec 9, 2006 0:54:30 GMT -5
Post by LG on Dec 9, 2006 0:54:30 GMT -5
The highest bets I ever saw
were at Deer Park Lanes 1993. Texan Del Ballard, Jr. vs. Long Island's Rudy Kasimakis. The first game they bowled, the bet was well over $10,000. Each game after that was between $7,000 and $10,000. Del Ballard won the BPAA U.S. Open the following week on ABC Television.
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Dec 10, 2006 2:00:57 GMT -5
Post by Tony on Dec 10, 2006 2:00:57 GMT -5
I have seen alot of Bobby Belmont's bowling
From action to the PBA, and I truly respect this mans talent. I agree with the a**kissing in the PBA. Bob led a tournament by 300 pins in Tuscon Arizon a few years ago while on tour. I followed him throughout that whole tournament and because he wasn't an a** kisser, they set the lanes up so he couldn't even keep the ball on the lane for the TV match. The PBA is a rigged bowling establishment if I have ever seen one. It has excellent bowlers lead a tournament and then get embarrased when on national television by rigging the lanes so they have whomever they choose to win. How do you lead a tournament for 5 days and lose in the title match with a 150 game. It just doesn't work that way for the bowler. Within a few years I hope the PBA looses enough of its members that maybe it makes a reality check and takes the embarrasement out of bowling and starts carrying it as a professional sport instead of the joke that they have created. Last month I watched Bobby bowl action in Tampa where he shot games of 300,300, 279.....There were 2 guys there who said they wanted to bowl anyone for $1000 a game and when I watched Bobby put his shoes on they decided they didn't want to bowl anymore. I think that is a compliment. There have been too many nights that I have gone up against Bobby and walked away broke. Some people learn quicker than others I guess. I respect his bowling tremendously and I would like to nominate him to your hall of fame. Thank you for this site, it is refreshing to see the "not so well known" bowlers acknowledged for the talents that they carry......
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Dec 11, 2006 4:01:11 GMT -5
Post by ld on Dec 11, 2006 4:01:11 GMT -5
The Second Coming
In Fort Lauderdale we have the second coming of Richie Hornreich and Mark Roth, 35 years after those 2 juniors tore apart the new york area. Having watched and bowled action in the NY area for 40 years till I moved to Florida, have I seen a more dynamic duo than these two youngsters, Matt Gilman 16 and Collin Hayes 14. Matt at age 11 bowled his first three hundred and at 12, an 800 , he now has 8 300s and has come very close to 800 on numerous other occasions, he has just been pressed by 14 year old bowling phenom Collin Hayes, who in the past 9 months has thrown 7 - 300s and 3 - 800s and has also missed narrowly throwing back to back 800s on 2 consecutive days as well as just missing several more 300s including a 299. Coached by Fred Borden and Randy Pedersen. Randy has never seen a 14 now 15 year old that good, but he never saw Richie Hornreich, and I did. In 1960, Richie at age 12, bowled a doubles match with a 16 year old against 2 guys in the navy, at Leemark lanes Brooklyn with a rubber ball, bowled 8 games with a low game of 258, including back to back games of 289 & 2- 279s with three games in the 260s. What ever happened to Richie, thats even a longer story, but in my opinion he was better than Roth, Lemongello, Petraglia, Schlegel, and the 2 hand cradle of Joe Berardi.
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Dec 12, 2006 11:57:26 GMT -5
Post by action on Dec 12, 2006 11:57:26 GMT -5
Well the pros are in Long Island this week so there should be action some time this week
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Dec 12, 2006 19:02:46 GMT -5
Post by J Long on Dec 12, 2006 19:02:46 GMT -5
Well the pros are in Long Island this week so there should be action some time this week Could you keep us up to date on what's happening
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Dec 12, 2006 19:05:02 GMT -5
Post by Phantom on Dec 12, 2006 19:05:02 GMT -5
Rudy Rev- Early 90s - Florida
It was early ninetys maybe 1990, rudy could give you the year better than i, but it was his first go round on the pba tour for him, and i met rudy, junior simmonelli, george sabatino, the ny connection. before the tour would start, there would be a tournament for 1200 bucks at don carters tamarac lanes, and a lot of the guys from the tour showed up to bowl, and at this time, it was probably the easiest house in the country. and in 10 games i would expect rudy to bowl maybe 3 300s, but that was not the case as rudy averaged only 230 and did not cash, but george shot 300, and i believe might have gotten a check. a local bowler named joey smith was averageing 260 plus for the first seven games and was eventually caught by david white of texas, who had been bowling the tour as well, others in the field included pete weber george pappas del ballard to name a few. towards the end of the competition , i notice the lanes breaking down and advised rudy, they, he and sabatino could get a match against joey smith and another local hot shot named bob vespi. and so after the 10 gamer the action begins. bowling on 5 and 6 the first game george struggles and rudy throws the last 7 , but they lose, the next game george bowls a little better but rudy throws the last nine, and vespi and smith quit. now jr simmonelli wants me to take him to the airport, to catch a 6 am flight to ny as he was broke and wanted to go back, and while that ride to the airport took place, rudy bowls ryan boyd on the other side of the house where there was more oil and sabatino bowls vespi, rudy throws back to back 300s and ryan quits, and sabatino beats vespi 4 straight and he quits. rudy wants to know whether or not there is any more action, and i said yes. rudy missed the rabbit squad that week on monday so we had all week to look for action. on monday night we go to boca raton, where the monday after league pot games take place,and rudy proceeds to win three straight, 20 a man 6 guys in the game. then one of the players tony ahladis says to rudy ill bowl you singles for 50 a game, rudy after bowling 258 258 257 in the pot game, bowls 258 267 and 279 throwing 32 out of 36 strikes possible and loses all three games to tony who shot 279 290 300, and they were both playin 20 to the gutter , tony using a green white dot. the next night the action is in miami and i get lost going to classic lanes as i had only been there once before, when we go to a gas station to ask for directions,we come upon a drug deal and rudy says lets get out of here and go home. as we are going home, we see the bowling alley and stop by to see if anyone was still around,and yes there was action there joey smith bowling someone and a couple of local bowlers hanging around, so i ask tony juliano if he wanted to bowl rudy and he agreed . they started on 33 and 34 and rudy flagged a 4 pin in the first followed by the next 5 using a plastic p 24 that he had just gotten from ernie off the tour truck, humming the 1/2 board lined up off the gutter which i neversaw rudy play before, and tony had the first 6 when he left the 3 6 10, rudy jumped him before he had a chance to make the spare threw a double messenger, for a 6 bagger, which promptly made tj miss all three pins, and rudy now confidently, takes it to the wall for a 279. tony says lets switch pairs to 1 and 2 and beats rudy with a 191 as the pair was pretty tough rudy bowling a 170 game. then rudy says lets switch the pair and throws the front 9 on five and six tony says lets switch again again rudy front 9 out of the wood on 7 and 8 , lets switch again , 9 and 10 again front nine for rudy and i ask rudy why he wouldnt shoot for the three hundred , he said he already had 4 this week, they switch again to 11 and 12 and again to 13 and 14, and i turned to rudy after 45 in a row match over, the only person that could beat, you here is not on this planet, only the man upstairs if he could carry as good as you
lenny d
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Dec 14, 2006 3:51:24 GMT -5
Post by lenny on Dec 14, 2006 3:51:24 GMT -5
1958 - Park Circle Lanes - Brooklyn NY - Iggy
The first time I saw Iggy Russo was in 1958 at Park Circle lanes, when he came in on Fri night and challenged anyone in the house over the microphone, just after the singles classic league had just been completed, with some pretty good NY locals at that time, such as Jimmy Allen, Tom Ermolovich, Bert Goodman, Joe Santini ,Vinny Pantuso, Tom Caputi, Tom Camelleri, and a few more 200 plus bowlers. No one accepted Iggys challenge, however he bet $100 that he could bowl 120 right on the nose. The action started, Iggy off to the races throws a strike, then another and another again one more and Isay to myself whats this guy up too, when after he throws the 5th consecutive strike and says you lose, do you want me to press the re set or throw gutter balls the rest of the way 30 - 60 - 90 - 110 120 picks up the C note and says want more, so the crowd bets now 200 bucks, but he (Iggy) had to hit pins on every shot. The game commences again and Iggy a master at the game for leaving whatever he wanted worked his way to the tenth frame with 98 in the 8th a strike in the ninth, a sure lock for anyone who knew him cause, he could easily pick three off the right and three off the left. Now comes the 10th frame Iggy shoots for the 6-9-10 and low and be hold to everyones surprize, he picks the 6-10 clean, and now must get four of the remaining six pins to win the 200 bucks, no easy task for us mortal bowlers, but the legend again grabs the microphone, and for about 10 minutes walks up and down on the approach, saying should I try for the 4-7-8 sliding the backrow, leaving the 1-2-3-5 or should Icome in light for a bucket leaving the 2-4-5-8, or perhaps I should throw my loaded ball, a fade to the three pin and leave, the 1-2-4-7, any way you sliced it, a difficult shot. Iggy goes for the loaded ball, throws the fade and leaves the 1-2-4-7 for a winner, and had no more action for the rest of the night...Lenny D
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Dec 14, 2006 9:54:32 GMT -5
Post by stephen simonelli on Dec 14, 2006 9:54:32 GMT -5
hey guys whats up glad to see everyone still around....who's out there..??
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Dec 14, 2006 10:08:10 GMT -5
Post by stephensimonelli on Dec 14, 2006 10:08:10 GMT -5
HEY YENZER HOWS YOUR SON DOING TELL EVERONE I SAID HELLO...ANYBODY HEAR FROM THE SNAKE, TANAGRETTA, SPALLONE, THE COUNT, THE BEST PART ABOUT THE ACTION WAS THE DICE GAMES THAT FOLLOWED...
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Dec 14, 2006 15:49:28 GMT -5
Post by Bernie B on Dec 14, 2006 15:49:28 GMT -5
who was usually the big winners and big losers in craps...
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Dec 14, 2006 15:54:15 GMT -5
Post by Johnny G on Dec 14, 2006 15:54:15 GMT -5
At Ave M back in the 60s - 70s we had some great dice games up in the locker room and also at the ave M train station
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Dec 15, 2006 5:13:27 GMT -5
Post by tanya on Dec 15, 2006 5:13:27 GMT -5
NY Invaders
SOME OF THE NY INVADERS LIKE CHICAGO BILL JARGELLA, TROY DAVIS AND DICK WEST FROM THE CAROLINAS, CAME INTO NY LIKE A HURRICANE AND TOOK ABOUT 40 TO 50 LARGE OUT, BEATING THE BEST EVERYWHERE, THE ISLAND , COLONY BOWL , GLENWOOD BOWL, CENTRAL, JERSEY, STATEN ISLAND, AS WELL AS JOE JOSEPH COMING IN TO NEPTUNE, NO TOUPEE AND MUSTACHE, AND BEATING BERT AND COMPANY.ALSO ASK STOOP HOW HE PARLEYED 2 BUCKS INTO $32,000 VS AL ROSA WITH A 30 PIN HANDICAP, BEATING HIM 15 IN A ROW...
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Dec 16, 2006 4:27:32 GMT -5
Post by donny on Dec 16, 2006 4:27:32 GMT -5
1960 - Leemark Lanes - Brooklyn NY
Richie Hornreich at age 12, bowled a doubles match with a 16 year old against 2 guys in the navy, at Leemark lanes Brooklyn with a rubber ball, bowled 8 games with a low game of 258, including back to back games of 289 & 2- 279s with three games in the 260s. What ever happened to Richie, thats even a longer story, but in my opinion he was better than Roth, Lemongello, Petraglia, Schlegel, and the 2 hand cradle of Joe Berardi.
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Dec 16, 2006 21:01:43 GMT -5
Post by Action on Dec 16, 2006 21:01:43 GMT -5
Well Chris Barnes and DJ Archer bowled John Rubeo and Judge and homefield bowl last night which was friday it was a doubles match pretty good i think Barnes and Archer came 4 up in the doubles match and then Barnes bowled singles against Rubeo and came 2 up
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Dec 16, 2006 22:43:34 GMT -5
Post by Danny on Dec 16, 2006 22:43:34 GMT -5
What type of money were they bowling for...
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Dec 17, 2006 1:45:50 GMT -5
Post by LG on Dec 17, 2006 1:45:50 GMT -5
The highest bets I ever saw
were at Deer Park Lanes 1993. Texan Del Ballard, Jr. vs. Long Island's Rudy Kasimakis. The first game they bowled, the bet was well over $10,000. Each game after that was between $7,000 and $10,000. Del Ballard won the BPAA U.S. Open the following week on ABC Television.
(LG)
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Dec 17, 2006 7:53:22 GMT -5
Post by I was there on Dec 17, 2006 7:53:22 GMT -5
Friday night at Homefield Barnes/Archer won 1st 4 games, Judge/Rubeo won next 3 - Archer wanted to quit - they bowled 1 more game - Barnes & Archer won, putting them 2-up.
Barnes bowled Rubeo on "S" shot - Barnes came 2-up after approximately a dozen games (lost count)
Many other pros in attendance
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Dec 18, 2006 10:17:50 GMT -5
Post by Caveman Lenny on Dec 18, 2006 10:17:50 GMT -5
I can't believe Rubeo is still bowling after all of his B.S. He is a terrible bowler and a disgrace to action bowling. He has to lay down that 'S' shot that everyone is getting tired of to have the slimest of a chance!!
Secondly, when this guy bowls in a P.B.A. tournament, he averages about 175 and is always in the - which is really his talent level! Bowling with handicaps & set up conditions is the Rubeo way. He never has more than $20 in cash, that's his allowance from mommy! Judge has so much more talent, why does he hang with this leetch. Even the mighty Judge, has trouble bowling E on the PBA tour. Too bad Norm Duke made the T.V. finals and won. Norn could have taken loser Rubeo for another 6K!
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Dec 18, 2006 20:42:30 GMT -5
Post by JK on Dec 18, 2006 20:42:30 GMT -5
Was Joe S there, if so did he bowl any action...
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Dec 19, 2006 2:50:47 GMT -5
Post by Johnny Lee on Dec 19, 2006 2:50:47 GMT -5
From Butch's bio
My best weekend of bowling was also my last, I was getting married and gave up the game i loved...
It's 1966 and one of the toughest matches I ever bowled was against Richie Grossman, who would be found a few years later in the trunk of his car in Gravesend Brooklyn with a bullet in the head. It was a Friday night, A week before I would make the biggest mistake of my life, getting married, I left my future wife at about midnight and walked the 5 blocks to the bowling alley. The night before, my crew, consisting of Paul, Doug, and Larry, had made a mid size hit of about eight hundred bucks, that was suppose to be our kitty for tonight's action. Paul wanted me to bowl Richie Grossman, Doug and Larry felt he was to strong for me because I wasn't bowling much lately, and Richie was a workhorse. Paul immediately split the kitty up and told Doug and Larry where to go. He turned to me and said bowl him, you'll eat him alive.
It turns out it was one of my best nights ever; my first three games were 290, 289 and 246. The first 15 games I averaged about 240 and we were up about eight thousand, by far the most money we were ever ahead. Richie went broke, I paid for the lines, the match was over, or so I thought. I was feeling great, couldn't wait to get out of there and split the money with Paul, in walks Sal the plumber. Richie talks him into backing him and here I am, back on the alleys again. It's now 5:30 in the morning; all the people that were betting on me had gone home, we were covering Richie for about fifteen hundred a game. By nine thirty, Richie completely wore me out, I quit, winning 300 hundred dollars. Richie was pissed that I quit, while he was still down thousands that the outside betters had left with earlier.
The next night I was at Leader lanes at about 1 am, I was still exhausted from the night before and swore I wouldn't bowl. My partner Doug begged me to bowl doubles with him. Relentlessly I gave in and bet only ten dollars a game out of disgust of what happened the night before, we went on to beating 4 different doubles teams, never lost a game all night long, cleaned out the house, I never increased my bet past ten dollars, many thousands had been won, I made 170 dollars. I walked out the front door with my ball in hand, went to the middle of Coney Island Avenue, the sun was just beginning to come up, a lot of the guys were walking out wonderering what I was doing. I slowly went into my approach and delivered the ball down the middle of the avenue, it hooked slowly towards the gutter where it ended up. That was the last time I threw a bowling ball for quite some time. The following Saturday I got married and didn't even walk into a bowling alley for the next ten years. Butch
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Dec 21, 2006 3:07:49 GMT -5
Post by PS on Dec 21, 2006 3:07:49 GMT -5
If you remember Central in the sixties, then you must remember Gun Post. There was more action at Gun Post than any house in the Bronx, and maybe anywhere, until they got raided and the action moved to Central. The best bowlers I remember from those day were Lemon, Ralph Engan, Frank Medici and others from Gun Post, Lou Harris and Harry the Horse from Tremont, Howie Palefski from Pel-Park, Dewey Blair from Central, Hank Burroughs from Skytop, Ernie Shlegel from Inwood. There's a lot more, but I can't remember everyone. Ralph Engan threw the strongest ball I ever saw in those days.
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Dec 21, 2006 4:55:13 GMT -5
Post by Junior on Dec 21, 2006 4:55:13 GMT -5
i guess u dot do ur homework very well. i never averaged 175 in a pba tournament which can be verified if u like. i bet more against barnes than ur probably worth. i would gladly bowl u on any shot u want. a thru z shot. dont hate the player hate the game.
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