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Post by JK on Apr 8, 2003 16:18:36 GMT -5
I would have to say that the biggest success story of a guy who was just a hustler has to be Ernie Schlegel. He really never worked except here and there for a bowling alley and only so he could practice for free. He's come a long way from his modest beginnings as a janitor's son. Most of the other action bums that I knew had legitimate jobs during the day and went to the action on the weekends, like myself. It's a great subject Butch lets see if anyone else can come up with some names and how they have succeded.
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Post by EX DEG on Apr 9, 2003 8:19:53 GMT -5
Chuck Sharp who was Mike Kilgannon's backer in the 70s has lived in Vegas for many moons and has been a millionaire for many moons since he has been there. Do not know exactly what he does, but Jimmy Mchugh has been working for him for many years. Ernie is still a hustling bum when he can be. Saw him at Carolier less than ten years ago hustling a backer and still yelling fruit salad. Still remember what a turd he was when he beat Randy Pedersen for that 50g. Chirping to Randy the entire match attempting to blow his concentration. Randy left a stoned 8 in the tenth to lose. Ernie has always been a scumbag in my book, although I made more money on him than anybody else at Central. Do not remember ever walking away a loser on any of his matches I bet on for at least six months.
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Post by JK on Apr 9, 2003 13:53:37 GMT -5
Nice talk bigshot. I guess you should drop the "EX" from your name because you surely talk and act like a degenerate and I'm sure you are. What balls. Ernie has more talent in his pinky than you could ever hope to have. I can hear you now in the backround "Yeah Ernie fruit salad babe" as you collect your bet and then on the way home call him a scumbag. You f**kin lowlife. It's guys like you that made the action a piece of shit as it progressed. In the beginning it was just a bunch of guys lookin to make a buck gambling. For a while I thought you might have put that part of your life behind you but I guess not. Well we know you're not one of those degenerates who have become a success.
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Post by Stevie Wonder on Apr 10, 2003 19:26:47 GMT -5
JK, you are 100% right. You might have bet on Ernie Ex Deg but you never knew him as a friend like JK and I did.
He has a terriffic wife and family, lives clean and sober and is the longest active member of the PBA. Has a nice home in Washington State and is is good businessman who loves the game. He tries very hard to promote the sport and raise the prize money by advocating an arena set up for more attendance and (don't laugh) but the way tennis is played for concentrated excitment.
Sure we had some times we're not proud of but, it was alot of fun and laughs and we've moved on. You obviously haven't.
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Post by Old Timer on Apr 11, 2003 20:06:32 GMT -5
The fifties and sixties were priceless, it was a time that the action bowlers just mainly wanted action. Sure they wanted to win $$$ but being in action was the most important thing.
Characters were plentifull, both on the lanes and betting on the side, the seventies were more about the money, the eighties were'nt bad, averything after that was straight downhill.
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Post by ex degenerate on Apr 14, 2003 10:06:12 GMT -5
Moved on to believing that schlegel is a classy bowler. Stevie, you and that dipshit Jk are the ones that are blind. He will still try to distract his competition when he can. Did you geniuses know that the 25 second rule was implemented because of Schlegel? The pros were compalining years ago that he took too much time to deliver. I will admit that he is still a clutch bowler and does well on the ridiculous team challenge no shot conditions. I still would not trust him as far as I can spit.
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Post by KNOWITALL on Apr 14, 2003 15:01:34 GMT -5
April 11 was Ernie's birthday. So you Schlegel lovers can send him a birthday card. As for you Ex, guess you can send him a card and tell him the old cliche, only the good die young.
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Post by sickle st on Apr 14, 2003 21:21:34 GMT -5
the best was ernie by far he beat all of them from dewey to ralph,jake lemon ritchie even the great joe s we made alot of money together.only the manhattan clique,or if he let you bet on him made money the ex was saying those things because he was still mad because he lost all the time.this is fact i grew up with him and went to the action with him. their was the bronx clique 2 or 3 of them depending on what lanes you bowled out of, the same with everybody thats what made the action each clique thought their bowler from brooklyn,queens or longisland was tops only the money separated who was and that definitly was him.
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Post by Regie on Apr 14, 2003 22:21:07 GMT -5
the best was ernie by far he beat all of them from dewey to ralph,jake lemon ritchie even the great joe s we made alot of money together.only the manhattan clique,or if he let you bet on him made money the ex was saying those things because he was still mad because he lost all the time.this is fact i grew up with him and went to the action with him. their was the bronx clique 2 or 3 of them depending on what lanes you bowled out of, the same with everybody thats what made the action each clique thought their bowler from brooklyn,queens or longisland was tops only the money separated who was and that definitly was him. How do you rate Ernie against Jeff Kitter from the mid seventies to the time Jeff gave up action bowling, did they ever bowl each other, did they ever call each other out.
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Post by cant recall on Apr 14, 2003 22:28:51 GMT -5
Did Ernie have a backer named Red?
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Post by Stevie Wonder on Apr 14, 2003 23:31:56 GMT -5
Sickle St, you sound like you were there in the days of all the real action. Do you agree with JK and me that Gun Post was the best place for action in the whole tri state area?
Were you there when Ernie and Lemon wiped everybody out in doubles?
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Post by ex degenerate on Apr 15, 2003 7:06:43 GMT -5
sicke st, if you were in central in 67, schlegel never beat richie or lemon. Ernie was great as long as the shot was outside. Ernie could never play inside because he is blind in one eye. so many here really do not remember how great richie was. does anybody here remember how great charlie faino was from 1970-1975. he lived off of action and raised a family doing so. he was unbeatable during this era and rarely lost. when urethane lanes came into play in 1976, charlie's full roller was not as effective and jeff kidder became the king. somebody asked who was better jeff or ernie. at their best kidder was, from 76 until his retirement in 81. he was the best in the country. ernie was never the best at any point in the sixties. of course the competition was much stronger in the sixties.
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Post by Stevie Wonder on Apr 15, 2003 10:59:55 GMT -5
Ex Deg, love to know who you are. Bet, we all know each other from the old days. From your posts, sounds like your were one of Lemon's friends from Bklyn or Queens.
Give us a hint.
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Post by ex degenerate on Apr 15, 2003 11:30:50 GMT -5
lemon never knew me. I always bet in the back. Same with hornreich. Became friendly with Richie at Fiesta. have not seen him in a few years, although I know you can find him at maple every afternoon. remember buffalo. saw him in florida over christmas. he got out of the slam last year or the year before after doing five years in Federal. He's flipping burgers in a bowling alley. still would not trust him as far as i could throw him. and he weighs 300+
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Post by JK on Apr 17, 2003 10:17:05 GMT -5
Hey I have an idea. Maybe we can get a hold of Ernie and see if he will come east to bowl Richie H. Of course there would have to be a ton of money involved.....say $20,000 or so. then maybe we can shut the Ex Degen up once and for all. What do you think Stevie? ??
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Post by ex degenerate on Apr 17, 2003 11:51:02 GMT -5
How about you and I for 20g asshole, or have you always sucked? Name the place big shot!
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Post by ex degenerate on Apr 17, 2003 11:54:46 GMT -5
I could use that easy money for retirement. Just like the yankees against the mets. no contest. you just proved you know squat. ernie was never in richie's class. ask lemon the next time you are in ac. he's been there about 20 years.
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Post by AC Guy on Apr 17, 2003 14:02:23 GMT -5
what casino does lemon work for and what town does he live in
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Post by AC Guy on Apr 17, 2003 14:04:08 GMT -5
How do you guys rank Ernie against Beradi
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Post by ex degenerate on Apr 17, 2003 14:48:57 GMT -5
Do not know where lemon is located. Hornreich would know. he is at maple every day. ernie was a better action bowler than berardi. as far as the tour no contest. berardi is a hof with 9 titles including toc and us open in maybe ten years on tour.he probably could have won 20 if not for personal problems. ernie is also hof voted in by veteran's committee-6 titles.
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Post by JK on Apr 17, 2003 22:04:53 GMT -5
Whenever you're ready Degen. I bowl at Pearl River Lanes in Rockland where do you bowl? We can pick a neutral house and lets get it on. By the way I HAVE the $20,000 do you? ? I'm afraid I'll get a rep of taking advantage of fish if I bowl you but I'll just have to deal with it
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Post by JK on Apr 17, 2003 22:11:59 GMT -5
Berardi did better in the pro's but Ernie is by far the better action bowler. Joey bowled some action but not a lot. He joined the pro's at a very young age. Remember there is quite a bit of oil on the pro tour and Ernie never threw a lot of ball so it was much tougher for him to carry. There aren't many guys around who are as accurate as Ernie and if he could carry like some of the others he would have been SUPER TOUGH on tour. I'm ready DEGEN...................just let me know when.
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Post by EX DEGENERATE on Apr 17, 2003 22:30:55 GMT -5
so you are from berardi territory, pearl river..Berardi bowled enough action before he went on tour. How do I know. Because when he was about 16 or 17, my partner and I backed him for about a year. as for the 20,000, whom are going to rob. it's chump change to I. I'd rather bowl you in your hou/e, so I can embarass you in front of your home crowd. Name the time.
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Post by sickle st on Apr 17, 2003 23:42:05 GMT -5
the only time lemon made any money in action was when he bowled with ernie then his clique wanted to try and get it all,so lemon picked a partner and ernie bowled with a bowler name of pete mylenki and lemon and his clique never knew when to quit and all the money was then in the manhattan cliques pockets,that's also what happened to ritchies money to,ernie was a hustler not a action bowler when he got on the lanes the other bowler lost. if you see lemon.ritchie you ask them who has whose money.ernie and his girl lived in a penthouse downtown n.y.on all their money and i put my self thru college.in one night ernie and pete beat ralph & doc 4 or 5 straight each game down to the 10th up a pin or 2 both teams struck out exciting and very profitable.lemon could never pick a partner ernie always could,he bowled him singles and it was to tough the only winner was going to be the house,to be a good hustler you have to know when to get out,ernie did and the rest of the bowlers didn't.
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Post by sickle st on Apr 18, 2003 0:01:27 GMT -5
to ac tough to match up. ernie was a hustler and would have beat him also why because joe wanted to bowl ernie wanted to win thats what hustling is all about. to ex ernie bowled jeff in hub bowling and won but jeff came with small money and went home with a smaller amount to bad.
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Post by Sickle St on Apr 18, 2003 16:00:25 GMT -5
I bowled with Ernie, Herb Ringel and I guy named Mud in a four man Classic at the Hub. Great league. Good pots afterward with side bets. Back in 1967, I think. We finished third. Oh well.
Jk, if Ex Deg bowls you, I want some of the action. I've only bowled two games since 1983 and that was 12 years ago, but, with a little practice, I' ll bowl Ex Deg too.
I KNOW Ernie would fly in and bowl Horn for enough money. That would be great. We'd have tons of money bet and all the old guys would come out of the woodwork to see it. Also let the young ones see real action for the first time.
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Post by Stevie Wonder on Apr 18, 2003 16:19:48 GMT -5
Sorry the last post was from me. I typed Sickle St in the name slot by mistake.
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Post by JK on Apr 18, 2003 19:51:34 GMT -5
No Degen I'm not from Berardi territory. I'm from Schlegel territory and just happened to move here 6 years ago. I have Joey's phone # why don't you give me your real name so I can verify whether you backed him for a year. Hey Sickle st. when and where did Ernie beat Dewey I don't remember that. Did Ernie ever bowl Howie Palefski at Gun Post?? Now we really have to try and get Ernie to come east and bowl the Horn. I'm serious Degen lets set something up and since when is $20g's a small bet? ? I think you're a real bigshot on paper lets see what you've got for real.
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Post by Stevie Wonder on Apr 21, 2003 22:36:54 GMT -5
Hey, ExDeg, what happened to your big talk? Maybe you spent some of your money on a Criuse to the Bahamas.
Probably realized that JK is serious and you'd have to bowl him or shut up.
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Post by EX DEG on Apr 26, 2003 17:07:34 GMT -5
You would have to pay Ernie's plane fare. Because the scumbag is still broke. And stevie blindfold. Why would I sail to the bahamas. To see more negros. enuf around here.
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